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NW - Spring - Reims -late- / Mission #12062

Tour Wargrounds August 2015 Statistics
Game mode Dogfight
Accounts 16
Profiles 17
Date start 10.08.15 01:15
Date end 10.08.2015 03:15
Duration (H:M:S) 2:00:00
Sorties 50
Air kills 10
Lost pilots 26
Lost planes 31
214671017295419214Central PowerEntenteSortiesFlight time (hours)Air killsLost pilotsLost planesGround kills05101520253035 Highcharts.com
Nickname FT Sorties Score AK GK RL CE KD WL KS KH Acc Ratio Disco
1 FogelGT 1:09 4 349 2 16 1 0.1 2 2 0.5 1.7 2.9% 1.22 0
2 Dougo 0:24 1 221 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9% 0.76 0
3 Milex 1:18 6 183 2 0 1 0.2 2 2 0.3 1.5 5.5% 1.19 0
4 Ice Age 1:28 4 104 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 12.3% 1.10 0
5 GusGT 1:19 3 38 1 0 0 0.1 1 1 0.3 0.8 6.6% 0.99 0
6 Plank 1:26 8 22 2 1 8 0.0 0.3 0.7 0.3 1.4 6.0% 0.85 0
7 Gaius Germanicus 0:30 2 20 1 1 1 0.2 1 1 0.5 2 1.4% 0.74 0
8 hakmo.jung 0:26 2 18 1 0 2 0.1 0.5 1 0.5 2.3 14.3% 1.21 0
9 OCA_Speedhandle 0:39 2 5 1 0 1 0.2 1 1 0.5 1.5 13.7% 0.79 0
10 leeleepeepee2 1:08 9 4 0 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 13.6% 0.88 0
11 TheGamerlol 0:17 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.93 0
12 r4g3215 0:04 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.00 0
13 Rocka22 0:20 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 9.3% 1.12 0
14 feytimofey 0:07 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.76 0
15 VonRocket 0:23 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3.9% 0.93 0
16 TADER 0:01 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0% 1.07 0
17 EnzoaleX 0:02 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.00 0
10.08.2015 01:18:07
Plank [Airco D.H.4] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:18:33
Plank [Airco D.H.4] take off
10.08.2015 01:18:38
Dougo [Handley Page 0-400] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:18:45
Ice Age [Albatros D.Va] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:19:44
Gaius Germanicus [Handley Page 0-400] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:19:44
Ice Age [Albatros D.Va] take off
10.08.2015 01:20:02
Gaius Germanicus [Handley Page 0-400] has finished
10.08.2015 01:20:14
Gaius Germanicus [Tail turret Handley Page 0-400] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:20:20
leeleepeepee2 [Turret Airco D.H.4] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:21:00
Dougo [Handley Page 0-400] take off
10.08.2015 01:21:24
leeleepeepee2 [Turret Airco D.H.4] has finished
10.08.2015 01:24:09
Milex [Fokker D.VII] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:24:47
Plank [Airco D.H.4] has destroyed AI [G8]
10.08.2015 01:24:48
Milex [Fokker D.VII] take off
10.08.2015 01:25:35
leeleepeepee2 [SPAD 13.C1] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:26:06
Milex [Fokker D.VII] has shotdown Plank [Airco D.H.4]
10.08.2015 01:26:08
AI [DaimlerAAA] has killed Plank [Airco D.H.4]
10.08.2015 01:26:08
Plank [Airco D.H.4] has finished
10.08.2015 01:26:10
Plank [Airco D.H.4] crashed on the ground
10.08.2015 01:26:14
leeleepeepee2 [SPAD 13.C1] take off
10.08.2015 01:26:21
FogelGT [Gotha G.V] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:26:53
Plank [Airco D.H.4] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:27:08
FogelGT [Gotha G.V] take off
10.08.2015 01:27:32
Plank [Airco D.H.4] take off
10.08.2015 01:28:20
TADER [Roland C.IIa] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:29:59
TADER [Roland C.IIa] was disabled
10.08.2015 01:29:59
TADER [Roland C.IIa] has died
10.08.2015 01:29:59
TADER [Roland C.IIa] has finished
10.08.2015 01:30:22
Dougo [Handley Page 0-400] has shotdown AI [Pfalz D.IIIa]
10.08.2015 01:30:22
Dougo [Handley Page 0-400] has killed AI [Common Bot]
10.08.2015 01:30:22
Dougo [Handley Page 0-400] has destroyed AI [LMG08AAA]
10.08.2015 01:30:24
Dougo [Handley Page 0-400] has destroyed AI [factory_06]
10.08.2015 01:30:25
leeleepeepee2 [SPAD 13.C1] has destroyed AI [Drachen]
10.08.2015 01:30:35
Plank [Airco D.H.4] was disabled
10.08.2015 01:30:36
Plank [Airco D.H.4] has died
10.08.2015 01:30:36
Plank [Airco D.H.4] has finished
10.08.2015 01:30:37
Plank [Airco D.H.4] crashed on the ground
10.08.2015 01:31:20
Plank [S.E.5a] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:31:48
Plank [S.E.5a] take off
10.08.2015 01:32:29
Gaius Germanicus [Tail turret Handley Page 0-400] has destroyed AI [DaimlerAAA]
10.08.2015 01:33:48
Gaius Germanicus [Tail turret Handley Page 0-400] has destroyed AI [DaimlerMarienfelde_S]
10.08.2015 01:34:19
Milex [Fokker D.VII] has shotdown leeleepeepee2 [SPAD 13.C1]
10.08.2015 01:34:22
leeleepeepee2 [SPAD 13.C1] has died
10.08.2015 01:34:22
leeleepeepee2 [SPAD 13.C1] has finished
10.08.2015 01:34:23
leeleepeepee2 [SPAD 13.C1] crashed on the ground
10.08.2015 01:34:44
Plank [S.E.5a] was disabled
10.08.2015 01:34:45
Plank [S.E.5a] has died
10.08.2015 01:34:45
Plank [S.E.5a] has finished
10.08.2015 01:34:46
Plank [S.E.5a] crashed on the ground
10.08.2015 01:35:06
leeleepeepee2 [SPAD 13.C1] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:35:55
leeleepeepee2 [SPAD 13.C1] take off
10.08.2015 01:37:21
Milex [Fokker D.VII] has landed
10.08.2015 01:37:21
Gaius Germanicus [Tail turret Handley Page 0-400] has destroyed AI [DaimlerMarienfelde_S]
10.08.2015 01:37:34
Milex [Fokker D.VII] has finished
10.08.2015 01:37:40
Milex [Fokker D.VII] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:38:58
Milex [Fokker D.VII] take off
10.08.2015 01:39:12
FogelGT [Gotha G.V] has shotdown AI [Airco D.H.4]
10.08.2015 01:39:12
FogelGT [Gotha G.V] has killed AI [Common Bot]
10.08.2015 01:39:12
FogelGT [Gotha G.V] has killed AI [BotGunnerRE8]
10.08.2015 01:39:12
FogelGT [Gotha G.V] has destroyed AI [HotchkissAAA]
10.08.2015 01:39:21
Gaius Germanicus [Tail turret Handley Page 0-400] has destroyed AI [Merc22]
10.08.2015 01:40:35
FogelGT [Gotha G.V] has destroyed AI [Crossley]
10.08.2015 01:40:35
FogelGT [Gotha G.V] has destroyed AI [thornycroftaaa]
10.08.2015 01:40:35
FogelGT [Gotha G.V] has destroyed AI [LeylandS]
10.08.2015 01:40:35
FogelGT [Gotha G.V] has destroyed AI [LeylandS]
10.08.2015 01:40:47
VonRocket [Roland C.IIa] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:41:37
VonRocket [Roland C.IIa] take off
10.08.2015 01:42:16
leeleepeepee2 [SPAD 13.C1] was disabled
10.08.2015 01:42:16
leeleepeepee2 [SPAD 13.C1] has died
10.08.2015 01:42:16
leeleepeepee2 [SPAD 13.C1] has finished
10.08.2015 01:42:22
leeleepeepee2 [SPAD 13.C1] crashed on the ground
10.08.2015 01:43:09
VonRocket [Roland C.IIa] has landed
10.08.2015 01:43:23
VonRocket [Roland C.IIa] has finished
10.08.2015 01:43:55
leeleepeepee2 [SPAD 13.C1] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:44:32
leeleepeepee2 [SPAD 13.C1] take off
10.08.2015 01:44:52
VonRocket [Roland C.IIa] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:45:35
Plank [Nieuport 28.C1] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:45:35
Dougo [Handley Page 0-400] has landed
10.08.2015 01:45:41
Ice Age [Albatros D.Va] has landed
10.08.2015 01:45:52
Gaius Germanicus [Tail turret Handley Page 0-400] has finished
10.08.2015 01:45:53
VonRocket [Roland C.IIa] take off
10.08.2015 01:45:55
Ice Age [Albatros D.Va] has finished
10.08.2015 01:46:03
Dougo [Handley Page 0-400] has finished
10.08.2015 01:46:14
Gaius Germanicus [Handley Page 0-400] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:46:26
Dougo [Tail turret Handley Page 0-400] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:46:32
Plank [Nieuport 28.C1] take off
10.08.2015 01:47:03
OCA_Speedhandle [SPAD 13.C1] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:48:03
GusGT [S.E.5a] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:48:12
Gaius Germanicus [Handley Page 0-400] take off
10.08.2015 01:48:43
GusGT [S.E.5a] take off
10.08.2015 01:50:26
Plank [Nieuport 28.C1] has shotdown FogelGT [Gotha G.V]
10.08.2015 01:50:26
Plank [Nieuport 28.C1] has killed FogelGT [Gotha G.V]
10.08.2015 01:50:26
FogelGT [Gotha G.V] has finished
10.08.2015 01:50:27
Plank [Nieuport 28.C1] was disabled
10.08.2015 01:50:27
Plank [Nieuport 28.C1] has died
10.08.2015 01:50:27
Plank [Nieuport 28.C1] has finished
10.08.2015 01:50:27
FogelGT [Gotha G.V] crashed on the ground
10.08.2015 01:50:28
Plank [Nieuport 28.C1] crashed on the ground
10.08.2015 01:51:02
OCA_Speedhandle [SPAD 13.C1] take off
10.08.2015 01:51:56
Plank [Nieuport 28.C1] was respawned
10.08.2015 01:26:33
not flying a dva give that man a cigar. Salute1
10.08.2015 01:26:48
S
10.08.2015 01:28:56
does ROF model shock cooling?
10.08.2015 01:29:05
Should we close rad in a dive?
10.08.2015 01:29:15
no idea.
10.08.2015 01:30:40
oh man.
10.08.2015 01:33:55
dont run plank
10.08.2015 01:34:06
you are only prolonging inebv
10.08.2015 01:34:48
S
10.08.2015 01:35:08
sorry for little taunt :)
10.08.2015 01:35:10
this is bullshit. you get dvas and we dont get camels.
10.08.2015 01:35:22
dva sucks though
10.08.2015 01:35:24
take the dvas off the map.
10.08.2015 01:35:27
or at least it used to
10.08.2015 01:36:14
I'm not worth a damn in Se5, but they do say it is a good plane
10.08.2015 01:36:16
thats bull. you dont' stall you go fast. you can prop hang. you get two fast guns.
10.08.2015 01:36:54
the only reason I got you was because I dove from 1000 m and had energy advantage, and luck
10.08.2015 01:37:23
and thats bull too. you got me because of the above.
10.08.2015 01:37:35
why is that bull?
10.08.2015 01:38:08
the dvs pisses over almost every entente plane in a low lowvel fight bar the camel.
10.08.2015 01:38:27
is that totally innacurate though?
10.08.2015 01:38:37
It was quite maneuvarable in real life
10.08.2015 01:39:04
Dv wasn't the Sherman to the opponents Panther
10.08.2015 01:39:17
i have no idea. but WHY you get dvas and we DONT get camels.
10.08.2015 01:39:40
why dont we get camels?
10.08.2015 01:39:50
Camel kicks Alb ass everytime, so then it would be unfair other way, wouldn't it? :)
10.08.2015 01:40:22
luckily this isn't the only map, right!
10.08.2015 01:41:21
The se5 cannot hold it's own against an dva. neither can the spad or the n28.
10.08.2015 01:41:45
to beat a dva you have to hope it makes a mistake.
10.08.2015 01:41:46
I get my ass kicked by Se5 all the time
10.08.2015 01:42:01
not down low you dont.
10.08.2015 01:42:22
not in a turn fight at near stall speed.
10.08.2015 01:42:45
the dva owns just about all planes there.
10.08.2015 01:43:07
Well, in this scenario the Brits don't have Camels. In other scenarios the brits have pups
10.08.2015 01:43:31
with one gun.
10.08.2015 01:43:31
there is enough getting our butts whipped to go around I say
10.08.2015 01:44:05
take the dva off the map i say. no camel no dva.
10.08.2015 01:44:31
I don't know, I'm still really learning newer flight models. Albs used to suck completely, so I guess they got a little better
10.08.2015 01:44:58
our three scouts when they get jumped by dva are shredded or have to run.
10.08.2015 01:47:00
Maybe I'm just awesome Plank, did you ever consider that?
10.08.2015 01:47:11
just kidding...........:)
10.08.2015 01:47:29
no it's the plane is easy to fly. any chump can.
10.08.2015 01:47:43
I guess I'm a chump then
10.08.2015 01:48:08
if it stalled like entent planes it would be a different story.
10.08.2015 01:48:28
but no, it magically does not. etc.
10.08.2015 01:50:08
it seemed that in the past, the Alb was so vulnerable, I couldn't believe the real plane was that bad. Now the Alb is mediocre at best
10.08.2015 01:50:37
well thers a first.
10.08.2015 01:50:48
Plank, nice ram
10.08.2015 01:51:20
first rule of ROF, always blame the other guy for collision :)
10.08.2015 01:51:21
that was not a ram. that was low flying and I hit my undercarrige.
10.08.2015 01:52:52
I'm coming for you Plank, in my Ubertros DVa
10.08.2015 01:53:10
salute! fogel. the good sport.
10.08.2015 01:53:25
dont bother i will just crash if i see you.
10.08.2015 01:53:40
I just got vulched
10.08.2015 01:54:54
sorry ice age i was looking at the train and couldn't help myself
10.08.2015 01:55:10
i got my karma though
10.08.2015 01:55:17
np. O
10.08.2015 01:55:31
I've done it myself a few times :)
10.08.2015 01:55:46
because war is hell
10.08.2015 01:57:17
please don't make me spill beer all over the Warthog again though
10.08.2015 02:01:01
how to engine start;;
10.08.2015 02:02:07
salute!
10.08.2015 02:03:12
howto eninge start?
10.08.2015 02:03:27
fogle in gotha. lets gang bang him...
10.08.2015 02:03:54
fuel mixture to full rich and press e
10.08.2015 02:04:07
tahnkyou
10.08.2015 02:04:33
shift - and + to change mixture
10.08.2015 02:04:40
oh thakyou
10.08.2015 02:06:07
how you star a plaen?
10.08.2015 02:06:19
plan
10.08.2015 02:06:41
how you start a plane?
10.08.2015 02:06:52
E full mix
10.08.2015 02:07:42
full mix?
10.08.2015 02:07:58
mixture full rich
10.08.2015 02:08:12
hold shift +
10.08.2015 02:08:57
you might think I'm a dick, but play a few times offline and that will teach the basics
10.08.2015 02:09:39
thx and your not a dick
10.08.2015 02:10:05
damned AA put a speck in my eye
10.08.2015 02:10:29
anyone seen fogols gotha?
10.08.2015 02:11:13
hasn't it always been the case that an SE is not a manever plane?
10.08.2015 02:11:35
none of our planes are.
10.08.2015 02:11:45
oh there he is.
10.08.2015 02:11:53
Camel, Pup,
10.08.2015 02:12:09
not on this mission.
10.08.2015 02:12:28
and they come at a hefty learning curve.
10.08.2015 02:14:36
I actually was afraid of Camel for a long time, but was surprised at how quiclkly I picked it up. Only started using it less than a week ago, and you get used to the rudder required
10.08.2015 02:15:31
try aces falling without the camel against the dva.
10.08.2015 02:15:52
Didn't we do that earlier Plank?
10.08.2015 02:16:35
yes, rthe dva owned everything. like it predictably does.
10.08.2015 02:16:40
I had good success with Pup and Camel, but no other
10.08.2015 02:17:19
the pup and camel are the only two planes that stand a chance.
10.08.2015 02:17:42
In Bruay scenario, had good energy fight with Manxyman in N28, me in D7f. I eventually got the better of him, until Scud came along and got me in Camel
10.08.2015 02:18:03
and your point is?
10.08.2015 02:18:13
But it wasn't as dominate as I thought, or at least I was not experienced enough to use it like it can be used
10.08.2015 02:18:21
W of our TF, Alb on our tiail
10.08.2015 02:18:47
it was an intellectual fight, not a muscle fight is what I'm saying
10.08.2015 02:18:53
take the dva away and get back to dog fighting.
10.08.2015 02:19:09
friendly fire?
10.08.2015 02:19:30
Spad did you shoot at SE5a?
10.08.2015 02:19:39
But the best fighter pilots of real life fought with their brains, not only their dicks
10.08.2015 02:19:48
put camel dr1 and dva in the same room lock the door.
10.08.2015 02:22:06
That's it for us, nite all
10.08.2015 02:22:14
bye
10.08.2015 02:23:51
what would be a change is a mission with no dva and no dr1 but there were camels. that would be nice.
10.08.2015 02:24:28
Camels dominate Albs everytime though
10.08.2015 02:24:41
only just.
10.08.2015 02:24:42
I guess its a matter of one's style and perspective
10.08.2015 02:25:08
when your up against J5_whoever, yes, but for us mere mortals
10.08.2015 02:26:28
nuff talk, red albatros coming for blood
10.08.2015 02:26:41
yawn.
10.08.2015 02:27:08
well you're a real good sport Plank
10.08.2015 02:27:36
get in any othe plane and you are on.
10.08.2015 02:27:47
it's not like the Camel is rare on NW servers
10.08.2015 02:28:49
why have a map with dvas and no camels?
10.08.2015 02:29:14
I ask my self before
10.08.2015 02:29:35
is Dva really that dominate?
10.08.2015 02:29:42
but the key is not work alone
10.08.2015 02:29:52
like I said, I am rather new to new fms
10.08.2015 02:29:56
what do you think. you know how this rolls out on aces.
10.08.2015 02:30:09
still seems pretty doggy
10.08.2015 02:30:26
in fight the dva owns all but the pup and camel.
10.08.2015 02:30:40
not true
10.08.2015 02:30:48
well there is a reason why germans used it isn't there?
10.08.2015 02:31:01
onless you bouce it.
10.08.2015 02:31:12
bounce.
10.08.2015 02:31:18
Plank con to tS more often
10.08.2015 02:31:28
guys like Gus have probably kicked my ass a thousand times when I'm flying Alb
10.08.2015 02:31:31
then invite someone to fly wingmwn with you
10.08.2015 02:31:48
then you realize how manch you can do with faster planes
10.08.2015 02:32:10
fought J5 Hipple in Alb when I'm in Camel. He survived for 5 minutes until gamecock came and whipped me
10.08.2015 02:32:15
but they are dead in a turn fight.
10.08.2015 02:32:38
then don't get in turn fight, I guess
10.08.2015 02:32:43
thats the answer do not turn
10.08.2015 02:33:08
you have to turn in a turn fight. or you are dead.
10.08.2015 02:33:09
if he braks down you pull up dont follow
10.08.2015 02:33:31
but don't get in turn fight in first place
10.08.2015 02:34:10
the se5 can only hit and run. like the spad and the n28.
10.08.2015 02:34:19
they cannot fight it out.
10.08.2015 02:35:50
sposse thats you
10.08.2015 02:35:55
hi all
10.08.2015 02:37:05
hi
10.08.2015 02:38:31
was that you plank?
10.08.2015 02:38:49
nope.
10.08.2015 02:40:30
I oversped engine like moron that I am!
10.08.2015 02:42:09
absolutley useless.
10.08.2015 02:42:10
who was in Se-5 that came on red Alb. You almost had me, just waited too long to open up
10.08.2015 02:42:26
other guy show up
10.08.2015 02:42:36
go up there and bounce people Plank!
10.08.2015 02:42:43
I cant stay with 2 albs one at same alt
10.08.2015 02:42:53
nothing outdives or outruns an SE
10.08.2015 02:43:03
i just did. what a faliure.
10.08.2015 02:43:22
SE has weako armament in my opinion
10.08.2015 02:43:34
except when I"m the target
10.08.2015 02:43:38
really. you read that in the manual right.
10.08.2015 02:43:41
lol
10.08.2015 02:44:13
why you so sore?
10.08.2015 02:46:03
here i am flying a DVa. no energy bleed.
10.08.2015 02:46:26
fast roll.
10.08.2015 02:46:30
hope to find you to show what an SE5 can do
10.08.2015 02:46:35
well shoot that guy down near Pomacle while you're at it
10.08.2015 02:46:43
with the uber Dva
10.08.2015 02:47:57
because while I"m sure its because I'm not that great a pilot, I get my ass kicked in Dv all the time
10.08.2015 02:48:31
I have trouble shooting down N11 in Albatros
10.08.2015 02:51:23
Salute!
10.08.2015 02:51:30
S!
10.08.2015 02:51:31
one less spad.
10.08.2015 02:57:10
sorry.
10.08.2015 02:57:20
S!
10.08.2015 02:57:22
my fault.
10.08.2015 02:57:32
Salute!
10.08.2015 03:01:27
so thats two spads owned.
10.08.2015 03:07:07
for complaints about se-5 I was just totally energy-dominated by Se-5 for 5 minutes just now before, and wounded before buddy came to help
10.08.2015 03:07:27
thanks Albatros buddy, whoever you were
10.08.2015 03:07:29
i knwo
10.08.2015 03:08:00
np
10.08.2015 03:08:55
he couldn't outmanuever, but he always retained his energy better than me
10.08.2015 03:09:50
S to gus for good fight, S to plank for jumping in
10.08.2015 03:09:56
S!
10.08.2015 03:10:01
the wing fell off. the only reason why gus was still flying was i had run out of bullets...'
10.08.2015 03:10:12
Salute!
10.08.2015 03:10:19
S!
10.08.2015 03:10:46
i watched the fight. Ice had gus but turned and ran for it.
10.08.2015 03:11:03
I ran, because I was severely wounded
10.08.2015 03:11:14
did you have bullets?
10.08.2015 03:11:53
yes, I could have continued, and maybe I should have, but I saw him Se-5 running, and didn't think you would catch him, so I turned home
10.08.2015 03:12:24
keep firing, he will extend and then you can esacpe. he wont turn back under fire.
10.08.2015 03:12:32
for some reason I just couldnt get alway
10.08.2015 03:12:45
bullets travel faster than planes :)
10.08.2015 03:12:49
maybe my engina was damage
10.08.2015 03:13:10
so I face him and had luck
10.08.2015 03:13:14
the dva is faster than you think maybe?
10.08.2015 03:13:42
The manual says 170, but Wikipedia says 186, and I think that's where they pegged it at.
10.08.2015 03:13:46
nothing like SE5 at low alt
10.08.2015 03:13:59
I can get 220
10.08.2015 03:13:59
It used to be slower, but can't catch Se-5 normally
10.08.2015 03:14:10
except when being ahot at.
10.08.2015 03:14:34
and i think the n28 is much more fun at tree topping.
10.08.2015 03:14:53
the dolphin
10.08.2015 03:14:58
I don't remember if I fired at Gus or not, but I don't think I did, so his engine was probably ok, and he could have outstripped Alb
10.08.2015 03:15:13
i hosed him down.
10.08.2015 03:15:18
Plank did
10.08.2015 03:15:32
first approuch
10.08.2015 03:15:39
by surprise
10.08.2015 03:15:46
i was up there...