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NW - Spring - Verdun -late- / Mission #17381

Tour Wargrounds October 2016 Statistics
Game mode Dogfight
Accounts 45
Profiles 62
Date start 04.10.16 15:48
Date end 04.10.2016 17:23
Duration (H:M:S) 1:34:58
Sorties 194
Air kills 42
Lost pilots 67
Lost planes 114
1022223386012921719295414Central PowerEntenteSortiesFlight time (hours)Air killsLost pilotsLost planesGround kills020406080100120 Highcharts.com
Nickname FT Sorties Score AK GK RL CE KD WL KS KH Acc Ratio Disco
1 -NW-I Got Shot 1:02 4 449 0 11 2 0 0 0 0 0 10.8% 1.15 0
2 JGS4_Sniper 1:19 4 228 3 3 1 0.7 3 3 0.8 2.3 9.1% 0.83 0
3 =Rasil= 0:21 1 196 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 1.11 0
4 LM_OZZY 0:53 4 135 3 1 1 1.0 3 3 0.8 3.4 7.7% 1.20 0
5 J99_Himmelhund 1:22 4 125 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.81 0
6 Baron Gorc 1:25 4 116 2 0 1 0.3 2 2 0.5 1.4 9.1% 0.76 1
7 JGS4_MaxVonArese 1:18 5 115 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 2.4% 0.84 0
8 J2_Jakob 1:04 2 107 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17.8% 1.12 0
9 313_Paegas 0:54 3 101 2 0 0 0.4 2 2 0.7 2.2 9.7% 1.18 0
10 Ace_ Rimmer 1:12 4 99 1 0 0 0.1 1 1 0.3 0.8 10.1% 0.82 0
11 Kermit7heFrog 1:09 11 93 1 0 2 0.0 0.5 0.3 0.1 0.9 10.0% 0.99 1
12 moro 0:35 4 92 2 0 2 0.3 1 1 0.5 3.4 17.9% 1.13 0
13 Falke187 0:29 2 57 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16.1% 1.25 0
14 J2_Trupobaw 0:14 2 55 1 0 0 0.4 1 1 0.5 4.3 8.9% 1.31 0
15 J99*SpitFire 1:21 8 42 5 2 5 0.3 1 1.7 0.6 3.7 9.1% 0.83 0
16 herby1960 0:50 6 32 2 0 2 0.1 1 0.7 0.3 2.4 5.3% 1.04 1
17 bubba9 0:49 7 28 2 0 5 0.1 0.4 1 0.3 2.4 8.1% 0.96 1
18 Green7 1:07 7 24 3 0 5 0.1 0.6 1.5 0.4 2.7 7.7% 1.16 0
19 Kultteri 0:53 3 22 2 0 0 0.5 2 2 0.7 2.2 22.0% 1.11 1
20 JGS4_KARL 1:08 4 21 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 10.1% 0.82 1
21 J2_Von Graff 1:02 7 20 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 8.8% 1.23 0
22 313_Nevo 0:11 1 19 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4.1% 1.31 0
23 JGS4_mitra 1:08 5 18 2 2 2 0.1 1 2 0.4 1.8 8.4% 0.87 0
24 JGS4_Goliath 1:23 4 10 2 0 0 0.1 2 2 0.5 1.4 9.1% 0.92 0
25 =CAP= 0:42 8 9 1 0 4 0.0 0.3 0.3 0.1 1.4 5.6% 1.12 0
26 GregHF 0:28 3 8 2 0 1 0.9 2 2 0.7 4.3 6.2% 0.89 1
27 FG28_Wookiee 0:34 3 8 1 0 1 0.1 1 1 0.3 1.8 4.1% 1.25 1
28 J99*Bodo 0:46 7 7 1 0 3 0.0 0.3 1 0.1 1.3 10.2% 0.80 0
29 camobap_rof 0:38 5 7 1 1 2 0.0 0.5 0.5 0.2 1.6 15.3% 1.08 0
30 ortan 0:45 3 6 1 0 3 0.0 0.3 0.3 0.3 1.3 8.9% 0.93 0
31 J99*Falke* 0:44 1 6 1 0 1 0.1 1 1 1 1.3 1.1% 0.95 0
32 Klaus Mann 0:24 2 5 1 0 1 0.1 1 1 0.5 2.4 2.6% 0.85 0
33 Boomer29 0:28 3 4 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0.9% 0.93 0
34 JG1Baron_J6 0:09 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 14.9% 0.80 0
35 petertheduke21 0:18 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.90 1
36 Uthaesdis 0:11 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.89 0
37 Tenwal 0:36 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3.1% 1.20 0
38 Ghaster 0:11 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.87 0
39 J99*Adler 0:11 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 5.8% 0.95 0
40 GhostG33 0:10 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 3.2% 0.96 0
41 J2_SteveF 0:09 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 1.11 0
42 Fritz Flipitz 0:15 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.85 0
43 cyork1 0:01 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.80 0
44 Sergeant Mystere 0:32 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 1.07 0
45 A J Dix4 0:11 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.79 2
46 E69_cherlistan 0:50 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0% 1.10 0
47 J5_Ice Age 0:07 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.95 0
48 =CAM= Stoppani 0:00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.00 0
49 Foxmann 0:14 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.69 0
50 =Henkel= 0:52 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 10.4% 1.26 0
51 Mylesy 0:11 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.58 1
52 Devi3 0:15 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4.4% 1.02 0
53 J99*Zitzewitz1 1:07 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.76 0
54 roberto9988 0:18 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 10.9% 0.71 0
55 wutz 1:26 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5.0% 0.92 0
56 Sailor Malan5 1:11 6 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 11.6% 1.10 0
57 jezz 0:00 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.63 0
58 =CAM=MarioMas 0:22 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3.6% 1.18 1
59 GRAUWOLF 0:01 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.00 0
60 lemb 0:15 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0% 0.81 0
61 J2_Mr. Tree 0:34 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 2.1% 1.24 0
62 jfalk 0:29 3 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 5.6% 0.82 0
04.10.2016 15:49:24
 jfalk [Roland C.IIa] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:49:30
 Ace_ Rimmer [Albatros D.Va] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:49:35
 LM_OZZY [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:49:46
 JGS4_mitra [Halberstadt CL.II 200hp] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:49:47
 jezz [Turret Roland C.IIa] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:49:57
 Kermit7heFrog [Fokker Dr.I] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:50:02
 LM_OZZY [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] take off
04.10.2016 15:50:02
 Ace_ Rimmer [Albatros D.Va] take off
04.10.2016 15:50:03
 bubba9 [Fokker Dr.I] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:50:10
 J99*SpitFire [Albatros D.Va] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:50:12
 J99_Himmelhund [DFW C.V] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:50:15
 Baron Gorc [DFW C.V] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:50:18
 jfalk [Roland C.IIa] take off
04.10.2016 15:50:18
 herby1960 [Sopwith Camel] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:50:27
 313_Nevo [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:50:31
 roberto9988 [Albatros D.Va] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:50:32
 JGS4_Goliath [Albatros D.Va] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:50:37
 J99_Himmelhund [DFW C.V] take off
04.10.2016 15:50:42
 bubba9 [Fokker Dr.I] take off
04.10.2016 15:50:45
 J99*SpitFire [Albatros D.Va] take off
04.10.2016 15:50:50
 Kermit7heFrog [Fokker Dr.I] take off
04.10.2016 15:50:55
 J99*Adler [Turret DFW C.V] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:50:57
 J99*Zitzewitz1 [Albatros D.III] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:51:02
 JGS4_MaxVonArese [Halberstadt CL.II 200hp] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:51:06
 Baron Gorc [DFW C.V] take off
04.10.2016 15:51:10
 Devi3 [Sopwith Camel] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:51:15
 roberto9988 [Albatros D.Va] take off
04.10.2016 15:51:18
 J2_Trupobaw [Breguet 14.B2] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:51:18
 Mylesy [Albatros D.Va] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:51:20
 =Henkel= [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:51:24
 Foxmann [Halberstadt CL.II 200hp] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:51:29
 J2_Trupobaw [Breguet 14.B2] has finished
04.10.2016 15:51:32
 herby1960 [Sopwith Camel] take off
04.10.2016 15:51:41
 J2_Trupobaw [Breguet 14.B2] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:51:42
 J2_Von Graff [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:51:47
 Falke187 [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:51:55
 J99*Zitzewitz1 [Albatros D.III] take off
04.10.2016 15:51:57
 Mylesy [Albatros D.Va] take off
04.10.2016 15:51:58
 =Henkel= [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] take off
04.10.2016 15:51:58
 J2_Trupobaw [Breguet 14.B2] has killed AI [BotGunnerBreguet14]
04.10.2016 15:52:00
 J99*Bodo [Albatros D.Va] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:52:05
 wutz [Albatros D.Va] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:52:14
 Devi3 [Sopwith Camel] take off
04.10.2016 15:52:18
 JGS4_Sniper [Halberstadt CL.II 200hp] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:52:19
 J2_Mr. Tree [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:52:31
 J99*Bodo [Albatros D.Va] was disconnected
04.10.2016 15:52:34
 Falke187 [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] take off
04.10.2016 15:52:41
 wutz [Albatros D.Va] take off
04.10.2016 15:52:46
 Foxmann [Halberstadt CL.II 200hp] take off
04.10.2016 15:52:53
 J2_Von Graff [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] take off
04.10.2016 15:52:54
 313_Paegas [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:52:58
 J2_Trupobaw [Breguet 14.B2] take off
04.10.2016 15:53:23
 J2_Mr. Tree [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] take off
04.10.2016 15:53:30
 JGS4_Goliath [Albatros D.Va] take off
04.10.2016 15:53:32
 JGS4_MaxVonArese [Halberstadt CL.II 200hp] take off
04.10.2016 15:53:40
 JGS4_mitra [Halberstadt CL.II 200hp] take off
04.10.2016 15:53:40
 JGS4_Sniper [Halberstadt CL.II 200hp] take off
04.10.2016 15:53:41
 313_Paegas [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] take off
04.10.2016 15:53:45
 FG28_Wookiee [Nieuport 28.C1] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:53:54
 lemb [Albatros D.Va] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:54:03
 J99*Bodo [Albatros D.Va] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:54:22
 Green7 [Nieuport 28.C1] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:54:34
 lemb [Albatros D.Va] take off
04.10.2016 15:54:39
 313_Nevo [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] take off
04.10.2016 15:54:48
 J99*Bodo [Albatros D.Va] take off
04.10.2016 15:54:52
 FG28_Wookiee [Nieuport 28.C1] was disabled
04.10.2016 15:55:21
 FG28_Wookiee [Nieuport 28.C1] has finished
04.10.2016 15:55:28
 herby1960 [Sopwith Camel] was disabled
04.10.2016 15:55:29
 herby1960 [Sopwith Camel] has shotdown J99*SpitFire [Albatros D.Va]
04.10.2016 15:55:31
 FG28_Wookiee [Nieuport 28.C1] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:55:36
 J2_Jakob [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:55:37
 J99*SpitFire [Albatros D.Va] has died
04.10.2016 15:55:37
 J99*SpitFire [Albatros D.Va] has finished
04.10.2016 15:55:38
 J99*SpitFire [Albatros D.Va] crashed on the ground
04.10.2016 15:55:40
 herby1960 [Sopwith Camel] was disconnected
04.10.2016 15:55:57
 Green7 [Nieuport 28.C1] take off
04.10.2016 15:56:19
 JGS4_KARL [Albatros D.Va] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:56:22
 LM_OZZY [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] has destroyed AI [Drachen]
04.10.2016 15:56:25
 J2_Jakob [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] take off
04.10.2016 15:56:25
 J99*SpitFire [Albatros D.Va] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:56:26
 FG28_Wookiee [Nieuport 28.C1] take off
04.10.2016 15:56:34
 GRAUWOLF [Nieuport 28.C1] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:56:59
 J99*SpitFire [Albatros D.Va] take off
04.10.2016 15:57:09
 J99*Falke* [Albatros D.Va] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:57:14
 GRAUWOLF [Nieuport 28.C1] has finished
04.10.2016 15:57:19
 JGS4_KARL [Albatros D.Va] take off
04.10.2016 15:57:19
 GRAUWOLF [Nieuport 28.C1] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:57:38
 J2_Von Graff [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] was disabled
04.10.2016 15:57:50
 J99*Falke* [Albatros D.Va] take off
04.10.2016 15:57:50
 J2_Von Graff [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] has died
04.10.2016 15:57:50
 J2_Von Graff [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] has finished
04.10.2016 15:57:50
 J2_Von Graff [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] crashed on the ground
04.10.2016 15:57:54
 GRAUWOLF [Nieuport 28.C1] was disconnected
04.10.2016 15:58:08
 J2_Von Graff [Nieuport 28.C1] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:58:08
 Falke187 [SPAD 7.C1 180hp] has killed jezz [Turret Roland C.IIa]
04.10.2016 15:58:08
 jezz [Turret Roland C.IIa] has finished
04.10.2016 15:58:13
 cyork1 [Turret Halberstadt CL.II 200hp] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:58:26
 =CAM=MarioMas [Nieuport 28.C1] was respawned
04.10.2016 15:58:43
 Devi3 [Sopwith Camel] was disabled
04.10.2016 15:58:50
 J2_Von Graff [Nieuport 28.C1] take off
04.10.2016 15:54:29
jezz:
our right wing is a little banged up
04.10.2016 15:55:52
 Cool iion :)
04.10.2016 15:55:59
 Coolision
04.10.2016 15:56:04
 very coo
04.10.2016 15:58:31
 salute gentlemen
04.10.2016 15:59:48
 where are we headed?
04.10.2016 15:59:59
 somewhere
04.10.2016 16:01:19
 S!
04.10.2016 16:01:37
 S
04.10.2016 16:01:55
 23 bosch vs 12 allies lol
04.10.2016 16:02:08
 good
04.10.2016 16:02:14
 as usual
04.10.2016 16:02:32
 ciganska ferovka ne
04.10.2016 16:02:43
 it won't bring u a glory
04.10.2016 16:03:25
 tree in not good position :)
04.10.2016 16:03:50
 that's MR. Tree...
04.10.2016 16:04:10
 ty trupo!!!
04.10.2016 16:04:46
 first u ramm me, than u kills me when i'm allready shot down... seems u wont to have somthing personal with me
04.10.2016 16:04:53
 great thing flying Dr.I with three wings missing, Kermit
04.10.2016 16:05:24
 (and it was Camel pilot who killed you, not Tree)
04.10.2016 16:05:37
 sorry. Mr Tree
04.10.2016 16:05:51
 :p
04.10.2016 16:06:08
 I'll check whos was that
04.10.2016 16:06:17
 I was trying to form up on you when Camel came and killed you
04.10.2016 16:07:30
 bb
04.10.2016 16:07:34
 bb
04.10.2016 16:08:46
 Good morning all
04.10.2016 16:08:53
 GM Shot
04.10.2016 16:09:22
 s
04.10.2016 16:09:36
 G'day Spit
04.10.2016 16:09:44
lemb:
sorry
04.10.2016 16:10:03
 :-/
04.10.2016 16:11:17
 i took off without ammo :-/
04.10.2016 16:17:00
 if you can't kill a Albatros DV who has no ammo, and there's three of you , than maybe u should consider some practice?
04.10.2016 16:18:33
 incredible
04.10.2016 16:18:36
 S
04.10.2016 16:18:48
 i was killed landing
04.10.2016 16:19:10
 no i shot u before
04.10.2016 16:19:46
 u too hit me
04.10.2016 16:19:49
 Opps tree/ground
04.10.2016 16:20:30
 i lost a piece of the aircraft in the last cross with you and then landing my airplane do a ground looping :)
04.10.2016 16:20:51
 yes i see u lost somethingllol
04.10.2016 16:22:40
 serverparser may correct that Mario verify in serverstats ))
04.10.2016 16:22:58
 ratz
04.10.2016 16:23:18
 S Bodo
04.10.2016 16:23:20
 groundfire?! :-o
04.10.2016 16:28:01
 GG
04.10.2016 16:29:55
 S dri
04.10.2016 16:30:01
 s
04.10.2016 16:30:25
 who was your wingman???
04.10.2016 16:30:26
 but could you next time be as kind to also try to avoid the collision?
04.10.2016 16:31:07
 your wheels hit my wing :p wich then again is pretty awesome :p
04.10.2016 16:31:20
 you can claim a kill by wheels :p
04.10.2016 16:31:42
 must be something cool for the snarling trolls :p
04.10.2016 16:31:51
 new goal :p
04.10.2016 16:33:35
 s
04.10.2016 16:35:07
 im landed Jackob
04.10.2016 16:35:30
 knuckleheads check radiator
04.10.2016 16:37:18
 s
04.10.2016 16:40:14
 cheating ??
04.10.2016 16:40:16
 S!
04.10.2016 16:41:08
 Kultteri's game crashed
04.10.2016 16:42:21
 s
04.10.2016 16:43:04
 S!
04.10.2016 16:44:21
 sorry gotha game crashed
04.10.2016 16:44:49
 s
04.10.2016 16:44:55
 s
04.10.2016 16:47:11
 where are we?
04.10.2016 16:47:30
 lost
04.10.2016 16:48:10
 bb cya
04.10.2016 16:48:14
 bb
04.10.2016 16:48:19
 GN
04.10.2016 16:49:23
 hi
04.10.2016 16:49:49
 Are we aproaching our target?
04.10.2016 16:51:58
 hey I got shot..
04.10.2016 16:52:18
 Good morning mate how are you today
04.10.2016 16:52:25
 How is JGS4 going
04.10.2016 16:52:27
 fine, you? all ok?
04.10.2016 16:52:37
 yeah fine mate
04.10.2016 16:52:40
 doing great... trying to survive
04.10.2016 16:55:05
 Sorry kermit
04.10.2016 16:55:14
 is not personal :)
04.10.2016 16:55:25
 dont worry
04.10.2016 16:55:49
 see anything back there Alder?
04.10.2016 16:55:55
 you do nice things with the newport :)
04.10.2016 16:56:32
 S!
04.10.2016 16:56:36
 s
04.10.2016 16:59:00
 bb guys
04.10.2016 16:59:11
 GN
04.10.2016 16:59:17
 fighter spoted
04.10.2016 16:59:21
 2
04.10.2016 16:59:49
 fighters 6
04.10.2016 17:00:04
 12
04.10.2016 17:00:45
 im hit
04.10.2016 17:01:24
 I can barely see
04.10.2016 17:02:36
 s
04.10.2016 17:02:41
 problems with the engines?
04.10.2016 17:02:45
 oh
04.10.2016 17:02:53
 gn all
04.10.2016 17:03:01
 gn
04.10.2016 17:03:05
 gn
04.10.2016 17:03:08
 GN Jakob
04.10.2016 17:03:40
 s
04.10.2016 17:04:45
 S
04.10.2016 17:07:03
 S
04.10.2016 17:08:47
 S
04.10.2016 17:09:19
 where we headed boomer?
04.10.2016 17:10:34
 ry
04.10.2016 17:10:36
 ry
04.10.2016 17:11:10
 where did all these people come from?
04.10.2016 17:11:15
 s
04.10.2016 17:11:20
 hello there
04.10.2016 17:11:38
 there mother's womb!
04.10.2016 17:11:55
 really boomer?
04.10.2016 17:12:11
 hey I got shot.. this map is bagged.. the balon is vanished a longggg time ago
04.10.2016 17:12:22
 we can not get it.. cause it vanoshes by itself
04.10.2016 17:12:40
 Balloon is not a target that counts
04.10.2016 17:12:56
 doesn't it count for finishing the map^
04.10.2016 17:13:06
 You need to do the Arty recon which isn't completed
04.10.2016 17:13:58
 only Bruay and Metz are the ballons listed as a needed target
04.10.2016 17:14:07
 ok...
04.10.2016 17:14:37
 boomer is this a bomber?
04.10.2016 17:14:44
 S!
04.10.2016 17:14:44
 S to all in that fight!
04.10.2016 17:14:52
 yes
04.10.2016 17:14:57
 good shot Klutteri
04.10.2016 17:15:01
 ty
04.10.2016 17:15:02
 no engine
04.10.2016 17:15:04
 S
04.10.2016 17:15:12
 s the other newport :))
04.10.2016 17:16:50
 6
04.10.2016 17:17:59
 s
04.10.2016 17:18:13
 Yay the BS flak wins again
04.10.2016 17:18:14
 S
04.10.2016 17:18:53
 I thought you loved the flak on these maps?
04.10.2016 17:19:08
 s
04.10.2016 17:19:45
 I hate flak full stop have always thought it was utter rubbish and histrorically incorrect
04.10.2016 17:21:28
 Arthur Gould Lee says that the ground attack Camels had a 30% casualty rate during Cambrai
04.10.2016 17:21:59
 i guess machine gun is the key word here
04.10.2016 17:22:02
 yep. just dont fight in the archie
04.10.2016 17:22:08
 That was true but Cambrai was not a normal operation
04.10.2016 17:22:18
 ?
04.10.2016 17:22:20
 right, it wasn't bursting flak at low level probablly
04.10.2016 17:22:45
 S
04.10.2016 17:22:52
 RNAS almost mutinied over pilot losses from ground fire
04.10.2016 17:23:34
 But I'm talking heavy flak not mg's